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<title>CLAWs Forums: Forum: Wargames and Boardgames - Recent Posts</title>
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<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:36:11 +0000</pubDate>

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<title>avlet on "Where to swap/sell board games?"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/where-to-swapsell-board-games#post-827</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 23:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>avlet</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;The box has some wear, but the internals are near perfect.  Game was hardly ever played, so it still has almost all the sheets you write/draw on while playing, board and pieces are pristine.  I will consider selling, but was preferably looking for one of the less complex games of this type, something I could play with people who don't want to spend hours or days learning complex rules, but more sophisticated than Monopoly etc.
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<title>CryoPhobia on "Where to swap/sell board games?"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/where-to-swapsell-board-games#post-825</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Hi there&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;What condition is the game in and do you have selling value in mind?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Chris
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<title>hodgestar on "Where to swap/sell board games?"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/where-to-swapsell-board-games#post-823</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 01:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>hodgestar</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Well, advertising here is a good start. You might also try posting to the &#60;a href=&#34;http://claws.za.net/TheTome/CLAWsMailingLists&#34;&#62;CLAWs mailing lists&#60;/a&#62; or visiting &#60;a href=&#34;http://claws.za.net/TheTome/OuterLimits&#34;&#62;Outer Limits&#60;/a&#62;.
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<title>avlet on "Where to swap/sell board games?"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/where-to-swapsell-board-games#post-822</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>avlet</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I have Avalon Hill's Starship Troopers which I'd like to swap for another game.  Any places I can go in Cape Town to sell the game or swap it for something else?
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<title>CryoPhobia on "A week of miniature warfare"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/a-week-of-miniature-warfare#post-699</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;For the interrested:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Ye Old Armoury &#38;#38; SA Miniatures&#60;br /&#62;
            Present&#60;br /&#62;
The Peninsula Wargames Group in&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;7 - 13 April 2008, Blue Shed, V&#38;#38;A Waterfront, Cape Town&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;A week of miniature warfare:&#60;br /&#62;
Models, figures, terrain, competitions, demonstrations, historical battles refought...&#60;br /&#62;
From the Ancient Armies of Antiquity, To Fantasy Forces of the Future!&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Ancient Romans, Gauls, Medieval Knights, Renaissance Cavalliers, Marlburian, Napoleonic, American Revolution, American Civil War, Franco-Prussian War, Colonial Conflicts, Boer War, World War I Naval, World War II, Modern Conflicts, Bush War (Angola).&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Special Sunday Schedule:&#60;br /&#62;
Warhammer and Warhammer 40K Fantasy Battles&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Campaigns refought:&#60;br /&#62;
Napoleonic: Peninsula Campaign&#60;br /&#62;
American Civil War: Shiloh&#60;br /&#62;
World War II: Operation Battleaxe&#60;br /&#62;
World War II: Battle of the Bulge&#60;br /&#62;
War In Angola: The Battles of Cuito Cuanavale&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;With Displays by: The International Plastic Modelers Society -South Africa (IPMSSA)&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;If you are interrested to contact the organizers for more info, drop me a mail and I'll forward you contact details.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Chris
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<title>babyacid on "Twilight Imperium III, Runebound II, Arkham Horror, Mechwarrior Dark Ages"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/twilight-imperium-iii-runebound-ii-arkham-horror-mechwarrior-dark-ages#post-696</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>babyacid</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Another idea is to bring them through to Dragon fire. There are always people up for some fun while the modules are running.
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<title>dystopia on "Twilight Imperium III, Runebound II, Arkham Horror, Mechwarrior Dark Ages"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/twilight-imperium-iii-runebound-ii-arkham-horror-mechwarrior-dark-ages#post-686</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>dystopia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;while twillight imperium is fun, it is a bit of a monster. if you can get a whole weekend to play, then people may be interested. i am keen on runeboud, and also own it
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<title>corvus on "Twilight Imperium III, Runebound II, Arkham Horror, Mechwarrior Dark Ages"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/twilight-imperium-iii-runebound-ii-arkham-horror-mechwarrior-dark-ages#post-685</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>corvus</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;email address:  janstals at gmail dot com
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<title>corvus on "Twilight Imperium III, Runebound II, Arkham Horror, Mechwarrior Dark Ages"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/twilight-imperium-iii-runebound-ii-arkham-horror-mechwarrior-dark-ages#post-684</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>corvus</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Hi&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I own all of the above, but always seem to lack people who want to play.  I live in Lakeside and work in town.  Anyone interested can email me.
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<title>CryoPhobia on "Tannhäuser - Board game"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/tannhauser-board-game#post-642</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Just got an email from Wizards. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;They are running with the pre-release offer on the new Fantasy Flight game Tannhäuser where you get a FREE Wolf miniature. This figure will only be available in this offer.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;If you are interrested you will need to contact Wizards no later than by Monday 20 August 2007.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;More info on the game:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/tannhauser.html&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/tannhauser.html&#60;/a&#62;&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/25261&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/25261&#60;/a&#62;
&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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<title>CryoPhobia on "Tannhäuser - Board game"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/tannhauser-board-game#post-593</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;IMO one of the best FREE online &#38;#38; pbem applications available. &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.vassalengine.org&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.vassalengine.org&#60;/a&#62;&#60;br /&#62;
Lots of modules to choose from, primarily war games, but modules are available for games such as Carcassonne for example.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Select modules from the menu to see what is available.
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<title>Oliver on "Tannhäuser - Board game"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/tannhauser-board-game#post-591</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;VASSAL?&#60;br /&#62;
Sorry, but what is it? I never heard about it.
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<title>CryoPhobia on "Tannhäuser - Board game"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/tannhauser-board-game#post-588</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;It sure does. I wish the guys would update the VASSAL Module to check the game mechanics. Last time I check it did not run in versions of VASSAL 2.9+&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;And I'm not really interrested in down grading my VASSAL as the new version has got really cool things going for it.
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<title>Oliver on "Tannhäuser - Board game"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/tannhauser-board-game#post-587</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Hey guys, maybe I will not buy Mutant Chronicles because I just found Tannhäuser on the web.&#60;br /&#62;
It seems it will be published in August and damn! It looks good:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/tannhauser.html&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/tannhauser.html&#60;/a&#62;
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<title>StormMaker on ""Warhammer" the sham wargame"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/warhammer-the-sham-wargame/page/2#post-575</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>StormMaker</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Steps out from the mist and slurs:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;@ Yanke&#60;br /&#62;
&#34;Ye there are some cheaper games. ASL is all cardboard,&#34;&#60;br /&#62;
And RPG's are just books and pieces of paper and plastic dice, the whole industry is about making so much more with the props given. I think a game that requires more intelligence and imagination, given that it may have a smaller fan base as the IQ lvl's increase, should be cherished not derided.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#34; but people arent falling over themselves to play it cuz many consider it boring. (due to lack of Pizazz, and frankly some people like simpler rules.)&#34;&#60;br /&#62;
Yes I do concede this, but can the same not be said about RPG and wargames versus CCG. It seems the modern consumer wants less concentration and thought with more engaged interaction. Take the rise of game consoles, heck why bother to think just sit and mentally masturbate whilst pushing your little controller buttons. We roleplay because we want more, we wargame because we want in depth interaction, personally ASL is another link to explore the dynamic that was WWII.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Simpler is not better, just simpler, and if you find complexity boring and a real link to historic battle a lack of Pizazz (ASL has an incredible link to real history in WWII) and thus a need for realism, then yes ASL is not for you. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;But to shoot a game down because its too complex for you, is a fool making an argument where they self identify, and you ain't no fool, otherwise you would be playing a first person shooter, or facebook or watching weeble....
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<title>Xenaroth on "Wesnoth"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/wesnoth#post-533</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 22:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Xenaroth</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;This isn't really a war/boardgame but I believe that a turn-based stratergy game is close enough. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I was just wondering: Does anybody here play Wesnoth?&#60;br /&#62;
If so What faction?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Check it out at www dot wesnoth dot org
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<title>Oliver on "Pirates of the Spanish Main"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/pirates-of-the-spanish-main#post-490</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 16:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Hmm... I've plaid a few sessions and never had problems to slow anyone down. You don't have to forget that you can play the game about getting all the treasure.&#60;br /&#62;
You can also set your ships in a way that he has to pass you and only with a special ability he can fire back. Especially with long ranged guns you can make up a good blockade but also the short ranged guns are not that bad.&#60;br /&#62;
And you can also try to stop him by ramming and boarding him. The bigger the ship the better.&#60;br /&#62;
Have you stuck to the rules for setting the game up? Especially I mean the distances between the islands.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Ah yes, in later booster packs you get fortresses. Very nasty things!
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<title>hodgestar on "Pirates of the Spanish Main"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/pirates-of-the-spanish-main#post-488</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>hodgestar</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;@Oliver: Perhaps is was just a fault with the particular ships we got in the few starter packs we bought. Not being able to move and fire means that you only ever get one shot at someone. And since damage doesn't appear to slow ships down, that means you have to have truly massive amounts of guns to have any hope of stopping a ship.
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<title>CryoPhobia on "Pirates of the Spanish Main"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/pirates-of-the-spanish-main#post-487</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 12:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Hi Oliver&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The guys were playing with &#34;proper&#34; minis. I cannot remember the rule system, sorry for the lame description. Link to some of the pics from the event: &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1853.jpg&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1853.jpg&#60;/a&#62;&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1859.jpg&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1859.jpg&#60;/a&#62;&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1855.jpg&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1855.jpg&#60;/a&#62;&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1865.jpg&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.veridical.co.za/Portals/13/hpim1865.jpg&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.veridical.co.za/Default.aspx?tabid=227&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.veridical.co.za/Default.aspx?tabid=227&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Scale 1:1200&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;This is where I find the complexity of rules to be subjective. As I have no real interest in naval war fair, I’d go for something like Pirates of the Spanish Main with low impact rules. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Chris
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<title>Oliver on "Pirates of the Spanish Main"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/pirates-of-the-spanish-main#post-482</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 09:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;@Hodgestar&#60;br /&#62;
Huh? Maybe in general small ships are faster in a straight line but all in all each ship has it's own speed. So you can have small ships which are very slow and big ships which are very fast. Take a look at the Wizkids website. There are more than enough big ships which are very fast.&#60;br /&#62;
The length of the line you can move depends on the card of the ship.&#60;br /&#62;
Or are you referring to schooner ability to be able to turn after a move.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I for my part like the rule which doesn't allow you not to fire while moving. It makes the game faster and you also have to think more. In addition there are several other factors which rely on this rule like abilities from several crew members or ships.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;@Cyrophobia&#60;br /&#62;
Why does anybody wants to make this game so complicated? Ah, okay! If he likes it.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The rule I don't like is the broadside. It is very lame.&#60;br /&#62;
Another part are the chinese ships which are way overpowered with up to 6 masts. But I don't buy these packs so it doesn't matter to me at all.
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<title>hodgestar on "Pirates of the Spanish Main"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/pirates-of-the-spanish-main#post-480</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 09:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>hodgestar</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Confluence and I have two packs each. We've only played once so far. I wouldn't mind tweaking the rules a bit if I played again. Using the default rules small ships are faster in a straight line (wtf?) and more maneuverable so big ships never get to fire on them, which makes big ships mostly useless. I also don't like the can't-fire-while-moving rule. It feels like a game with a lot of potential though. And the tiny ships are adorable.
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<title>CryoPhobia on "Pirates of the Spanish Main"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/pirates-of-the-spanish-main#post-478</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Hi Oliver&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I saw this being played one evening. As you say a very simple, but fun game. I liked the simple mechanics of tracking damage to ships and calculating movement.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Funny thing was the guys on the table next to the above working out some serious gaming rules for their upcoming &#34;Battle of Trafalgar” game. All the calculations for proper speed and wind directions made my head heart.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Chris
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<title>Oliver on "Pirates of the Spanish Main"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/pirates-of-the-spanish-main#post-474</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 15:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Hey, has anybody here ever played Pirates of the Spanish Main from Wizkids?&#60;br /&#62;
It is a very simple tabletop for which you do not need much money. You play it with 3D-models of ships which really existed nearly on every table.&#60;br /&#62;
There are several faction which have been increased by several boosters.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;It is a shame I left my stuff at home. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;So if you are interested in a cool, simple and funny tabletop and want to get some infos look here:&#60;br /&#62;
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.wizkidsgames.com/pirates/&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Cheers!
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<title>confluence on "You play what? ... war games ... bleggh!!!"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/you-play-what-war-games-bleggh#post-456</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 00:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>confluence</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I thought anyone could both edit and delete their own posts; apparently there is only a temporary opportunity to modify posts.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I have deleted the whole conversation.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Ladies and gentlemen, to make everyone's forum experience more pleasant, please don't be randomly abusive, don't use real names without permission, and don't feed a flamewar even if the other guy started it.
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<title>CryoPhobia on "You play what? ... war games ... bleggh!!!"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/you-play-what-war-games-bleggh#post-431</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>CryoPhobia</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;As a result to the overwhelming response on the war game threads so far, I thought I’ll put this up...&#60;br /&#62;
So, why do &#60;strong&#62;YOU&#60;/strong&#62; think war games suck?&#60;br /&#62;
1. Boooringgg ... It's pieces of cardboard. Where is the Pizzazz?&#60;br /&#62;
2. WTF!?! ... You expect me to read all that? 2 pages of Carcassone rules is all I’m able to muster, forget it!&#60;br /&#62;
3. Oh no! I just cannot take the conflict, can’t we just get along? I can so not stand all this!&#60;br /&#62;
4. Are we finished yet?! I wanna go home, this is taking way to looong!&#60;br /&#62;
5. No way dude, I’m not painting that sh...!&#60;br /&#62;
6. Boys and their little men! &#38;lt;sigh&#38;gt;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Feel free to add or disagree ...
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<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/warhammer-the-sham-wargame/page/2#post-430</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;Without the dice it would not be called a game now would it :)
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<title>Yancke on ""Warhammer" the sham wargame"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/warhammer-the-sham-wargame/page/2#post-411</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 00:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Yancke</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;And seriously, warhammer 40/fantasy, is what it is and is popular. If you dont like it dont play, as you clearly have opted to do. I stopped too after spending many many Rands. (Large Darkangels and Tyranids models) And Many many hours of painting/customising/sculpting.&#60;br /&#62;
Stop yer bitching.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Beside I think Wysiwig was a good idea. I was soooo tired of coke can dreadnaughts and God knows what else. I can actually paint minutures and i think it forced people to put together better looking models. So whatever.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;And frankly some of those models look fantastic. Where do you get models that cool?&#60;br /&#62;
Ye there are some cheaper games. ASL is all cardboard, but people arent falling over themselves to play it cuz many consider it boring. (due to lack of Pizazz, and frankly some people like simpler rules.) I will concede the massive luck factor involved, but whey are you surprised.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Those cubes are called dice. You know? Random chance.
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<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/warhammer-the-sham-wargame/page/2#post-410</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 00:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Yancke</dc:creator>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;I hate you all for not playing L5r. But aparently they are busy with a board game so maybe i can getpeople intersted when it comes out.
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<title>CryoPhobia on "Block War Games"</title>
<link>http://claws.za.net/forum/topic/block-war-games#post-394</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;After posting on WarHammer I thought I'd see if anyone is interested in playing a block game or 2. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The 1st one is Hammer of the Scots. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;From the Columbia Games website:&#60;br /&#62;
“Hammer of the Scots brings the rebellion of the Braveheart, William Wallace, to life. As the English player, you seek to pacify Scotland by controlling all the important noble lords. The Scottish player also seeks the allegiance of nobles to support a difficult struggle for freedom.” &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The 2nd one is Wizard Kings.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Also from the Columbia Games website:&#60;br /&#62;
“Wizard Kings is an exciting fantasy battle game with armies of elves, dwarves, orcs, undead, and three human armies (feudal, barbarian, amazon). Players customize their armies and fight for control of strategic cities and terrain on geomorphic maps.” &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I’ve not played any of these games before so it’ll be interesting to see how it goes. Both of these games have their rules available online and VASSAL modules for online/PBEM play.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Hammer of the Scots – Rules here &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query/cfg/zoom.cfg?product_id=3215&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query/cfg/zoom.cfg?product_id=3215&#60;/a&#62; and the VASSAL mod here &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_vassal_modules&#38;#38;task=display&#38;#38;module_id=168&#38;#38;page=Files&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_vassal_modules&#38;#38;task=display&#38;#38;module_id=168&#38;#38;page=Files&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Wizard Kings – Rules here &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query/cfg/zoom.cfg?product_id=8501&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query/cfg/zoom.cfg?product_id=8501&#60;/a&#62; and the VASSAL mod here &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_vassal_modules&#38;#38;task=display&#38;#38;module_id=83&#38;#38;page=Files&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_vassal_modules&#38;#38;task=display&#38;#38;module_id=83&#38;#38;page=Files&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I do not own either of the games so only VASSAL PBEM. If you are interested in a game reply here and we can get a game going.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I am also interested in what your thoughts are regarding these games.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Chris
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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<description>&#60;p&#62;StormMaker's post touches on 2 important points. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Games Workshop Games is not cheap and they know how to run the money machine:&#60;br /&#62;
 &#34;I am sure to be flamed for this but Gamesworkshop and its products are to&#60;br /&#62;
wargaming, as Diesel to clothing retail.&#34;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;The following is my take on it so YMMV. I played WH40K for 2 years before the change to the 4th Edition release and collected 3 armies. As everyone knows with the 4th Edition came the changes to the codexes and as a result new armies &#34;forcing&#34; you to start looking at new units to comply with the WYSIWYG type of army building. At this point I decided enough is enough, what was meant to be a clarification of rules was going to result in me spending more money to keep up with the new &#34;put your race here&#34; rules. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Games Workshop could just as well be printing money. Now, I think any miniature based game is expensive purely based on the exchange rate, e.g. Rackham - &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.rackham.fr/html/home.php?lg=EN&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.rackham.fr/html/home.php?lg=EN&#60;/a&#62; and Flames of War - &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.battlefront.co.nz&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.battlefront.co.nz&#60;/a&#62; ), but constant rules and army updates is silly. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I've seen guys playing Rackham, the guys imported the miniatures themselves and Flames of War is distributed in SA by SA Miniatures - &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.saminiatures.com&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://www.saminiatures.com&#60;/a&#62; . This brings me to StormMaker's 2nd point (Actually his 1st point).&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;War gaming does not equal WarHammer / WarHammer 40K:&#60;br /&#62;
&#34;No disrespect intended but I think it is a very sad indication of the sorry state of wargaming if the current situation in CT is only that of Warhammer and the products of Games workshop.&#34;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;So very true. There are a various types of war games out there:&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;-	Miniature based&#60;br /&#62;
-	Counter based&#60;br /&#62;
-	Block games&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;these are again grouped into tactical, strategy and operational type games, with minis falling in the tactical group. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Strategy and operational games are again split into hex, area and point-2-point movement games. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;And if this isn't enough these games have varying game mechanics beyond just movement,  i.e. dice based, card driven, I go you go (IGYG) and impulse driven.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I am sure the above is not exhaustive, but covers the most common types. So yes, playing only an IGYG miniature war game is a sorry state of war gaming.
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